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The White Mandingos: Music That Defies Definition

Originally published on Thu August 15, 2013 5:59 am

Last year, Quentin Tarantino's movie Django Unchained resurrected a word with a lot of ugly associations: mandingo. It's the word we use for a group of people from West Africa who call themselves Mandinka, several hundred thousand of whom were sold into slavery. This year, three black musicians have claimed the word for themselves, and they're dropping their debut album under the name The White Mandingos.

The group resists definition. "What we've come together to do is just an extension of all of our experiences as black men, but we're not just limited to being black," says Sacha Jenkins, who plays guitar for the group. "I mean, I think our influences aren't necessarily just black."

Jenkins makes his living as a journalist — over the past 20 years he co-founded ego trip magazine, wrote for Vibe and Rolling Stone, has been the editorial director of Mass Appeal, and produced TV series for MTV and VH1. He's a rookie to the music-making game, but his partners in The White Mandingos are industry veterans. Darryl Jenifer has played bass with D.C. punk band Bad Brains for 30 years, and worked with musicians as varied as Jonathan Richman, Lauryn Hill, Ric Ocasek and Lil Jon. L.A. rapper Nick Carter, who goes by the name Murs, has built his career on the independent hip-hop circuit over the past 15 years.

The White Mandingos' album is titled The Ghetto Is Tryna Kill Me, and it could be called rap rock. For some people, that too is a disparaging term. "Some people" includes Jenkins.

"I don't like 'rap rock' at all. Like I hate it. I think it's — it's terrible!" But, he says, he knew a collaboration with Jenifer and Murs would be interesting. "Murs having this really strong hip-hop background — that's kind of how it all really came together. It's really cemented in rock 'n roll. My passion for rock, his pedigree in rock 'n roll, but also our love and respect for hip-hop. It's very rare that you have this kind of combination of a guy who's really, really a rapper. He's not some dude who wanted to be a singer, who raps a little bit. Like, this is a dude who has rapped for millions of people and is good at what he does."

Jenkins thinks the group's album sounds like all of its members' influences: the hip-hop Jenkins grew up with, the rock he found later, and the Caribbean records his mom used to play; the West Coast style of storytelling rap Murs knows all about; The Isley Brothers, Led Zeppelin, punk and reggae Jenifer was into.

"We came together without a lot of pretense, and trippin on this and that," says Jenifer. "We just look at each other and do what we do. Which is the beauty of it all."

The White Mandingos came together at Jenifer's house in Woodstock, where he and Jenkins would hang out and jam. But what they were laying down didn't really add up to anything until Jenkins thought to call Murs.

"Once he hit it with the lyrics," says Jenifer, "it opened up. Like, something you may not like — 'I don't really understand that' — you put some lyrics on it and what you thought was an inconsistency, or a mistake, turned out to be the best thing there."

Murs has been performing hip-hop, wearing Basquiat dreads, at punk and rock festivals since the '90s. He says all three musicians have never quite fit in.

"We were kind of talking about identity, and a term I've used before is 'the only' — when you go to certain things and you're the only black person there," he says. "When we started talking over the phone, I was like, 'Well, why don't we just tell a story about this kid who is from the hood, gets a record deal as a rock artist and — still trying to maintain his roots in his neighborhood, whilst trying to excel in this new world — and the struggles that might come about.' And that night I just came up with the 10-song outline."

The narrator is named Tyrone White, born 1988 in New York City. And while that makes him much younger than The White Mandingos, Jenkins says his struggles echo their own.

"Darryl has me by a few years. Like, he was a pioneer, in terms of being a black person who was doing things that weren't traditional. And when I got into all this stuff in the, you know, mid- to late-'80s, it was still kind of weird. If you're a black kid, you're only supposed to fit in a box. You're only supposed to like hip-hop. You're only supposed to like R&B."

And Murs wanted to talk about interracial relationships.

"Interracial relationships are modern, I think, love songs. And I wanted to tell that story, because that story of black and white people being together is only 'Ebony and Ivory.' It's OK to love someone of another race, but no one actually talks about how weird it is to go to your white girl's parents' house and meet her parents for the first time. And then, how weird it must be for them! And they're trying to be cool, but then they say something awkward, and you don't want to say anything, 'cause you're still a guy trying to impress your girlfriend's parents — before race."

He says that the music that's supposed to be talking about what's happening in his generation is rap — but rap isn't keeping up.

"A lot of people claim to be progressive," says Murs. "And they make progress — there's lots of progress being made in mainstream rap, I won't doubt it — but they still stick to a pop formula. They still make sure it's mixed by the right person. They still contain a lot of contemporary ideas."

The ideas of the future are facilitated by something no one in The White Mandingos had when they were kids: the Internet. All three of them talk about how much money it used to cost them to venture out, to buy albums by groups they'd never heard of. Today, says Murs, up-and-coming musicians know his music and Jay-Z's music, and they didn't have to spend a dime to find it. "They just — YouTube, YouTube, YouTube, YouTube, YouTube. So their influences are vast."

Not only is access to culture cheaper and more convenient than it was in the '70s and '80s, many of the next generation of musicians, especially those knocking down the cubicles of genre like Tyler, Earl Sweatshirt and Chance the Rapper, are on a more equal playing field than Murs, Jenkins and Jenifer were.

"You're dealing with the economic development of the black community," says Murs. "Tyler's mom is not in the projects. Earl's mom is very — they come from very intelligent, well-educated families, and now we're getting very intelligent, well-educated kids with foul mouths. They grew up on No Limit, Cash Money, but they went to private schools and they read a lot." Murs says he was similar, listening to Ice Cube and reading Thomas Pynchon, but he was alone in it.

Jenifer says what the kids are into always sounds strange to the grown-ups. "One time my aunt told me she thought I made vulgar music. She thought I almost was making evil music. But I had to tell her that's almost compared to when the thunder and lightning is clapping, like a little kid will cry, but it's a glorious event. It's not a negative event."

Jenkins has been getting clowned for boundary defiance since he was a kid: "When I was riding a skateboard in the '80s people in my neighborhood threw 40 ounces at me." It still happens: "Daryl, he says that I play like a quote-unquote white boy," says Jenkins. "You talk like one, too," says Murs. "Yeah, OK, I talk like one, too." "That shirt's kinda doing it, too," adds Jenifer. "My shirt? My shirt's making more like a white boy, too. Anyway — I'm sorry I don't have FUBU on." But now everybody's laughing, and nobody's throwing anything.

The Ghetto Is Tryna Kill Me tells the life story of a fictional character, but it sounds like the life story of three real people. "If it can connect with a kid," says Jenkins, "and it's not just black kids — I think kids in general are looking for identity. And they're always looking for people to look to who are confident in who they are. If you listen to the entire record you see the evolution of a person who makes mistakes, who comes from mistakes, who wants to do the right thing — and sometimes does and he doesn't. But that doesn't mean you can't be proud of who you are. That doesn't mean you can't go against the grain."

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Transcript

RENEE MONTAGNE, HOST:

Now the story of a band, its name and deliberately subverted expectations. Last year, Quentin Tarantino's movie "Django Unchained" resurrected a word with some ugly associations. Mandingo is the name white colonialists gave to a group of people from West Africa, people who call themselves Mandinka. Several hundred thousand of whom were sold into slavery. This year, three black musicians have claimed the word for themselves. They're releasing their debut album under the name The White Mandingos.

(SOUNDBITE OF MUSIC)

MONTAGNE: Frannie Kelley has the story.

FRANNIE KELLY, BYLINE: The White Mandingos resist definition.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "BLACK N WHITE")

THE WHITE MANDINGOS: (Rapping) I'm in a black band. I got a black girl. But I don't make music for black world, 'cause I'm a black man. It's like its midnight, blacker than Flava Flav and (unintelligible) in a fist fight...

SACHA JENKINS: What we've come together to do is just an extension of all of our experiences as black men, but we're not just limited to being black. I mean, I think our influences aren't necessarily just black.

KELLY: Sacha Jenkins plays guitar for the group, when he's not busy being a journalist. He's a rookie in this music-making game but he's partnered with two experienced musicians, Daryl Jenifer who's played bass with DC punk band Bad Brains for 30 years and the L.A. rapper Nick Carter, who goes by the name Murs. They like to mess with Jenkins about his not necessarily just-black influences.

JENKINS: Daryl, he says that I play like a quote-unquote, "white boy." So that also has...

DARYL JENIFER: He talk like one too.

JENKINS: Yeah, OK, I talk like one too. But...

(LAUGHTER)

JENIFER: That shirt is kind of doing it too.

(LAUGHTER)

JENKINS: My shirt? My shirt's making more like a white boy, too. Anyway, I'm sorry I don't have FUBU on. But...

KELLY: The album The White Mandingos have made is called "The Ghetto's Tryna Kill Me." And it could be called rap rock. For some people, that too is a disparaging term. Some people include Jenkins.

JENKINS: I don't like rap rock at all, like I hate it. I think it's - it's terrible.

KELLY: But he says he knew a collaboration with Jenifer and Murs would be interesting.

JENKINS: You know, Murs having this really strong hip-hop background, that's kind of how it all came together. It's really cemented in rock and roll - my passion for rock, his pedigree in rock 'n' roll, but also our love and respect for hip-hop. It's very rare that you have this kind of combination of, like, a guy who's really, really a rapper. He's not some dude who wanted to be a singer, who raps a little bit. Like, this is a dude who has rapped for millions of people and is good at what he does.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "BLACK GIRL TOOF")

MANDINGOS: (Rapping) If I could turn back the clock, I'd get your pops to stop smoking rocks. And then maybe then I'd have a shot, since your past got your future on lock. I know you've been through a lot. I wish I could make the pain stop. I wish you loved the man that you got, instead you love the man that I'm not....

KELLY: In their songs you can hear punk and hip-hop, but also the Caribbean records Jenkins' mom used to play and the heavy soul Jenifer says he grew up listening to.

JENIFER: We came together without a lot of pretense and tripping on this and that. We just look at each other, do what we do, which is the beauty of it all.

KELLY: The White Mandingos came together at Jenifer's house in Woodstock, where he and Jenkins would hang out and jam. But what they were laying down didn't really add up to anything until Jenkins says his partner thought to call Murs.

JENIFER: Once he hit it with the lyrics, it opened up. Like something you may not like, like, wow, I don't understand that. You put some lyrics on it, oh, and then it becomes the best thing there.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "WARN A BROTHA")

MANDINGOS: (Rapping) I sent my demo to the demons up at Warner Brothers. Now they say they want to sign me lying (bleep). I know I'm getting got, but (bleep) I need a start. I'll renegotiate once I hit the charts. But now I kick back and enjoy the ride. Spend my advance and swallow my pride...

KELLY: Murs made his name over the last 15 years on the independent hip-hop circuit, playing punk and rock festivals. He says all three musicians have never quite fit in.

MURS: We were kind of talking about identity and a term I've used before as the only; when you go to certain things and you're the only black person there. And I was like, well, why don't we just tell a story about this kid who is from the hood, gets a record deal as a rock artist, and still trying to maintain his roots in his neighborhood whilst trying to excel into this new world and the struggles that might came about. And that night I just came up with the 10-song outline.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "WARN A BROTHA")

MANDINGOS: (Rapping) He told me sign on the line with my life. He told me that I'd had the time of my life. Hey yo, I never met this man in my life. But holy (bleep), hot damn, he was right...

KELLY: The narrator is named Tyrone White, born 1988 in New York City. And while that makes him much younger than the musicians, Jenkins says his struggles echo their own.

JENKINS: When I was coming up in the '80s, you know, Daryl has me by a few years. Like, he was a pioneer in terms of being a black person who was doing things that weren't traditional. And when I got into all this stuff in the, you know, mid to late-'80s, it was still kind of weird. If you're a black kid, you're only supposed to fit in a box. You're only supposed to like hip-hop. You're only supposed to like R&B.

KELLY: And Murs wanted to talk about interracial relationships.

MURS: Interracial relationships are modern, I think, love songs. And I wanted to tell that story, because that story of black and white people being together is only "Ebony and Ivory" - it's OK to love someone of another race. But no one actually talks about how weird it is to go to your white girl's parents' house and meet her parents for the first time. And then, how weird it must be for them and they're trying to be cool, but then they say something awkward. And you don't want to say anything, 'cause you're still a guy trying to impress your girlfriends' parents before race.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "MY FIRST WHITE GIRLFRIEND")

MANDINGOS: (Rapping) We used to go to fancy dinners with the folks. It would feel like a episode of "Different Strokes." She smelled like a dog when her hair was wet. She said my hair felt like a Chia pet. She couldn't take much direct sunlight. Sunburn, no sex, not a fun night...

KELLY: Jenkins and Murs say society has moved further than music has in addressing the changes that are happening in their generation and the next.

JENKINS: Today, you know, white kids, black kids, Latin kids they can connect in ways they didn't connect pre-Internet. There were the onlys like us, who were early. And then now all that information is there. It's easy for them to process it and come together.

MURS: And they know stuff you wouldn't think they know because they just, YouTube, YouTube, YouTube, YouTube, YouTube. And so their influences are vast.

KELLY: And Darryl Jenifer says what the kids are into always sounds strange to the grown-ups.

JENIFER: One time my aunt told me she thought I made vulgar music. She thought I almost was making evil music. But I had to tell her that's almost compared to when the thunder and lightning is clapping, like a little kid will cry, but it's a glorious event. It's not a negative event.

KELLY: "The Ghetto's Tryna Kill Me" tells the life story of a fictional character, but it sounds like the life story of three other guys - guys who used to be the only one in the room and are now in a band together.

Frannie Kelley, NPR News.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "MANDINGO RALLY")

MANDINGOS: (Rapping) Black righteous space, I might catch a case. I be higher than a spaceship, but as soon as the base hits...

MONTAGNE: This is MORNING EDITION from NPR News. I'm Renee Montagne.

DAVID GREENE, HOST:

And I'm David Greene.

(SOUNDBITE OF SONG, "MANDINGO RALLY")

MANDINGOS: (Rapping) Never free base kid? Meditation, transcendental, my band is the band that bans instrumentals. Yoga, yogi, cigar stogies, picturing the crib and they try to fold me. Tibet, Nepal, Masonic Halls, project hallways, Taj Mahal, dichotomy, die (unintelligible), ain't (bleep) funny 'bout dying in poverty. Honestly, follow me, Greeks know astrology. Then it went crazy and crash the economy. (bleep) the odyssey and economic policy. Economic sanction, sanction, sodomy. I am cosmic... Transcript provided by NPR, Copyright NPR.

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